Clive: emphasis on pro-ducing not intent.
Dynamism of resilience: a military term.
(Some language from me on flow versus stasis and the notion of making things that last forever.)
Karen: positive notion of withdrawal, refusal to work in the writing of Franco Berardi (Bifo). Generation Online is a place to see this. It would be a positive thing to slow down and refuse to work etc. Another way to think of the dark ages...
Allan: there's a necessity of darkness. You're expected to pay for everything in a place like Detroit but you can't do it. The only way to survive is to unplug from the economy. Urban farming without police harassment. It's scary but it's already reality.
Clive: capitalism only allows capital-friendly projects. Capitalism inverts the pyramid of energy and money. We need to flip the entire thing.
Possibilities of production at levels of efficiency beyond what we've thought of. WW1 and WW2 economies. How about having MORE people not less? Counterfactual ideas like that, which challenge the status quo.
Allan: the need to think productivity outside the capitalist growth economy. E.J. Mishan, The Costs of Economic Growth, early 60s LSE.
Cameron: Walter Stahl, closed loop economies. We need to get back to a service economy, to humans who are solar, rather than oil. Humans as a different mode of energy. Start consuming humans not small pulverized plant life. Slave-days. A TV is worth two slave days. Better to have an after-dinner speaker than having a TV. Much more efficient to be carried around on poles by eleven people...
Daemian: André Gorz and the post-work economy.
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