Bogost OOO interviews

...in Figure/Ground.

...in Fractured Politics.

I like this bit:

If oral rhetoric uses speech, if written rhetoric uses writing, if visual rhetoric uses images to make arguments and express ideas, then procedural rhetoric uses processes. These processes aren't just hypermodernist bureaucracies either, they are rules of operation. Sets of such rules that come together to produce behaviors. Procedural rhetoric is a rhetoric made of rules and behaviors rather than words or images.