tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post2795296016073928146..comments2024-03-28T09:51:55.365-06:00Comments on ECOLOGY WITHOUT NATURE: Tim's guide to TimbreTimothy Mortonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-86610186951261413472018-12-08T20:47:14.538-06:002018-12-08T20:47:14.538-06:00I was wondering if you can give me a bibliography ...I was wondering if you can give me a bibliography of the quote by Heidegger that you referenced ("We never hear B-flat as such, only B-flat through a trumpet, or B-flat through a violin"). I stumbled upon this quote in Victoria Meyers'book Shape of Sound. On page 39, she quotes this followed by (L Bryant and T Marton). However, there is no bibliography or credits about the quote. After searching the internet for half an hour, I found your blog post, surprised to find that your last name is Morton, not Marton. I assume she was referencing you, but I find it odd that she would have misspelled your last name and not given you proper credit. Anyways, I intend to use Heidegger's quote in a research paper I am writing, and would appreciate a proper citation. (P.S. I enjoyed your post, so I guess it wasn't a horrible thing that I went on a tangent to find this reference). Thank youali hayeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12229501751102910619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-52957933645080760992010-08-04T23:02:49.481-05:002010-08-04T23:02:49.481-05:00It's easy to be "hung up on a use of word...It's easy to be "hung up on a use of words" when you misuse those words, especially since you are a trained musician and a composer. I've given you my reasons for why your points about "notes" are wrong, because they deal with "sounds" and all you do is a) tell me I'm "hung up on words" and b) that you write music every day, therefore you are correct. Notes are not sounds by any definition, not "music theory" definition. Just because someone chooses to use a word in a peculiar way (Harman) does not change the meaning of that word, does it? <br /><br />I have sincerely posed some questions, if you don't have answers to them, you don't need to respond (learn from Levi). It's pathetic that your best shot is the accusation that one is "hung up on words" - I thought only obnoxious graduate students were using such lame defenses. For shame...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-38243079219563605722010-08-04T18:54:06.561-05:002010-08-04T18:54:06.561-05:00You are also confusing Graham Harman's use of ...You are also confusing Graham Harman's use of "notes" (used on Levi's blog) with your music theory definition.Timothy Mortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-67998328774852475582010-08-04T18:53:23.763-05:002010-08-04T18:53:23.763-05:00I believe you are hung up on my use of certain wor...I believe you are hung up on my use of certain words. I am well trained musically and I write it almost every day.Timothy Mortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-86784492111729742622010-08-04T11:28:58.796-05:002010-08-04T11:28:58.796-05:00You are confusing notes and sounds. Notes are not ...You are confusing notes and sounds. Notes are not sounds, sounds of certain frequencies can be associated with names/numbers, but there are more sounds than there are notes. You mistake certain reality (frequencies) for their presentations (notes). <br /><br />As for hearing notes without material incarnation, let me ask you this: have you ever seen a number as such? have you ever seen a triangle? Can you deal with abstract notions such a chiliogon that you cannot imagine? In mathematics we don't need actual material triangles to learn all sorts of things about them and the fact that some are drawn on sand and some are drawn on paper makes no difference whatsoever. <br /><br />Again, notes are not sounds and sounds are not notes - this is the source of your confusion. I left a comment on Levi's blog (he goes on to say that notes have timbre which is just wrong, notes are pitches, timbre is color of sound regardless of pitch etc etc) about it as well - your material interpretation of music is confusing because it does not distinguish between elementary realities of material sound and abstract notions like notes, tones, consonance/dissonance and so on. <br /><br />I can hear notes in abstract sense (using my basic sight-reading skills), sure it might be easier to imagine them as notes played on a piano if it is an easy piece, but that's not as important a point as you make it to be. Some combinations of notes are impossible to hear materially (unless you are very good at it which most people are not), but they are an abstract combination that can still exist on its own without every being played. Again, my analogy to mathematics is the best way to approach it. Your materialism here, again, is poetic but confusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-52900997690958197962010-08-04T01:24:19.830-05:002010-08-04T01:24:19.830-05:00Hi Mikhail,
It's quite straightforward. You ...Hi Mikhail, <br /><br />It's quite straightforward. You have never heard a note all on its own, have you? You have only heard glass, metal, wood and amplifiers emitting notes, yes? Those notes are material vibrations of certain kinds of material. You have never heard a note without some kind of material.Timothy Mortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-60380214875413997252010-08-03T21:34:10.596-05:002010-08-03T21:34:10.596-05:00Are notes material? Is C a specific material vibra...Are notes material? Is C a specific material vibration? Is it not a number (lowest C being 16.35Hz)? Are numbers material then? Is there a special timbre to C as such? What is the relationship between sounds and notes, if not that of representation (notation being a rather poor system of representation, if truth be told)? Your post is poetic, but very confusing when it comes to these matters...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1438289051411770399.post-7130026431588955842009-01-07T12:16:00.000-06:002009-01-07T12:16:00.000-06:00Hey Tim,I really loved this post. Sorry I missed y...Hey Tim,<BR/><BR/>I really loved this post. Sorry I missed you at MLA this year. Hope all is well.srblevinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172992119592902737noreply@blogger.com